Note: google if Romania is called that bc the territory was invaded by Rome or if unrelated???

Note: talk with Zoe about buying houses in diff neighborhoods wrt gentrification and see if there’s anywhere that I won’t completely fuck up just by moving there.

[Twitter Search: “shadowcast”]

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ElishaWhite @ewhitewrites

Yaaay omg new Shadowcast is coming soon! Love that podcast so much

[hearteyes gif]

C. P. Killa @captchakilla

Never heard of “shadowcast” but i saw an article saying the two hosts are hot girls so heyyyyy guess i have a new fave podcast lol

Alex Alexa @aalexa

If you have a powerful broadcast platform like a PODCAST and all you do is use it to talk about the terrible things that happen to women i judge you so hard. (LOOKING AT YOU, SHADOWCAST) If you listen and support this podcast you should unfollow me because you’re trash

Dare You @dareyadontya

Reply to: @aalexa

Have you *listened* to Shadowcast, though? They’re super respectful about WHY they talk about this stuff, and how they’re giving voice to victims in a meaningful and impactful way so i’m not sure why you think it’s trash??

Alex Alexa @aalexa

Uh-huh “hi we’re shadowcast and we make money off victims but we’re doing it for THE RIGHT REASONS” sure thing sweetie keep telling yourself that it’s for *victim voices* when it’s basically just lurid exploitation for $$$

[Quote Retweet: Have you *listened* to Shadowcast, though? They’re super respectful about WHY they talk about this stuff, and how they’re giving voice to victims in a meaningful and impactful way so i’m not sure why you think it’s trash??]

Dare You @dareyadontya

Reply to: @aalexa

Umm ok so i was just asking because i know a LOT of people esp women who find Shadowcast and other podcasts like it empowering b/c it addresses things that actually happen to women would you rather no one talk about it or???

Alex Alexa @aalexa

Reply to: @dareyadontya

I would rather it be addressed and FIXED, or treated seriously, not gabbed about like two sorority girls over margs which is EXACTLY what Shadowcast sounds like. It’s so gross and demeaning and I don’t want to hear why you like it. Goodbye.

Dare You @dareyadontya

Reply to: @aalexa

*epic eye roll* Unpack some of that misogyny while you’re storming off in a huff, sweetie [door slamming gif] #shadowcaster4life

Nicky Nicknack @Notabot2stop

Them shadowcast girls are hot af daaaaaaaayum

STL True Crime @stltruecrime

Sure wish we could get a write-up in Revolver! Probably doesn’t help that our hosts aren’t two cute, young girls who are dating each other like those gals at shadowcast—but Pete and Jim promise to buy some new ties!

Ms. Mystery @msmysteryreviews

Hey @stltruecrime that tweet is super gross. I live in North County but listen to Shadowcast b/c they’re engaging storytellers and that’s why a lot of ppl like them. Your tweet made me (also a listener to YOUR podcast and a woman) really uncomfortable :( #dobetter

STL True Crime @stltruecrime

Reply to: @msmysteryreviews

Awww we’re sorry! We were just joking around abt shadowcast/their hosts, sorry your feelings were hurt :( please keep listening every tues on LoudNetwork Pods at noon!

Ian Leigh @ileighu

Reply to: @msmysteryreviews @stltruecrime

…wow talk about missing the point :/ #shadowcast #getacluestltruecrime

Minn E Mouse @disneyfreak01

Listened to every single Shadowcast episode TWICE am so excited for the new season I love Lucy and Mina!!!!! I AM TOTALLY A LUCY btw

Look Link @looklinktoday

Women Podcasting About True Crime: Fad, Or Warning Sign? The Answer Might Surprise You!

[Link Preview: “Take the popularity of female-hosted shows like New Orleans’ Shadowcast,” says PhD and media expert Michael Dunn. “Now, think about what it means that women, traditionally the caretakers and nurturers in society, are finding themselves drawn toward the darker aspects of human nature…”]

Blissfully Aware @wakeandrage

I don’t even live in NOLA but I’m subscribing to Shadowcast rn on my app. Because I had no idea women giving voice to the terrible things that are often done to us was a “fad” or, even better, a sign that we are out to eat men’s hearts or w/e Dr. Dunn here thinks *laughing crying emoji*

[Quote Retweet: Look Link @looklinktoday

Women Podcasting About True Crime: Fad, Or Warning Sign? The Answer Might Surprise You!]

Google Hangouts

9:49 AM

Lucy Westenra

UGHHH Mina why do I ever read our twitter account?

Mina Murray

I don’t know, especially since we pay Arthur to do it

;)

Do I want to know?

Lucy Westenra

Well

To be fair

This wasn’t really *our* twitter account

Mina Murray

So you were…reading someone else’s Twitter account?

Lucy Westenra

No :P

I did a Twitter search for “Shadowcast” and I should not do that

Mina Murray

Oh god what does that mean?

And am I going to regret asking

There’s a reason we have Arthur do all the social media stuff!

Lucy Westenra

Not as much as I regret looking. But okay basically you can search Twitter for a word or phrase, so it might just be people talking *about* Shadowcast without using the @ symbol. Because when people use that, it means they at least theoretically want us to see or don’t care if we do.

Mina Murray

Right

Oooh you’re like a Twitter voyeur!

Since you didn’t laugh, I’m guessing it was bad?

Lucy Westenra

Well, there’s the usual stuff like “oh those girls are so hot and they’re together”

Which, these things are true, but ugh.

Not that I care that people know, or even talk about it.

But I hate how it’s so…ugh.

Mina Murray

Performative?

Exploitive?

Gross and creepy?

Lucy Westenra

Yeah, all those things.

Also like. Okay, this one girl said something about how we’re awful because we’re talking about these terrible things happening to women and making money off it. Which, on the one hand LOL because how much does she think an amateur podcaster makes??

But like. We don’t do that, do we?

Someone replied in our defense (other people might have, I didn’t click the thread because I am not THAT much of a glutton for punishment) and said that we are giving voice to victims. Which I mean. We’re doing that, right?

Mina Murray

Well, yeah, I think so. In the sense that we’re not allowing these stories to just fade away. But also, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being real about our interest in the shit that doesn’t get talked about in “polite” society. Since “polite” society is usually code for straight white people with money who have the privilege of pretending that this stuff can’t ever happen to them.

Lucy Westenra

Yeah there was this other article written by this white dude who was like “women podcasting about true crime means their interest has turned to unsavory pursuits”

I sent it to Arthur LOL

Mina Murray

Psh, yes, our dainty white gloves are stained with the blood of our unsavory interests and we must loosen our corsets whenever we podcast so we don’t faint.

Men interested in true crime never *means* anything because men assume they can be interested in anything they want, and that they’re naturally detached from their emotions, but it’s against the natural fucking order of things if women are interested in grisly things, because these misogynists think women are inherently different slash weaker slash more emotional than them. *Slaps all of them*

Lucy Westenra

Girl, you know it gets me six kinds of hot when you’re smart

So

I’m always burning up ;)

Mina Murray

:) <3

Seriously though, I don’t think we’re being disrespectful and I know we always remember that these were people first and foremost before they were victims or stories.

Lucy Westenra

I wish you could go tweet at that mean person

I’d just end up in some kind of argument haha

Mina Murray

Well, obviously I don’t think that person is right, but they are allowed to have that idea about our podcast. I can see why it’s upsetting to read (which is why I don’t search for our podcast on twitter :P) but also that’s just what some people might think, you know?

And I’m sure that a gentle reminder to be respectful is always something we can use.

Lucy Westenra

But the way she said it was just so—

Here let me just c/p it for you

Mina Murray

LUCY NO

Lucy, I do not want to read it. And more importantly, *you* don’t want to read it. It’s just going to upset you. You already know I agree with you and not this random tweet, okay? But I am putting up that boundary that I don’t want to engage and I think if it upsets you so much, you should consider doing that, too.

Lucy Westenra

Honestly you had me at “Lucy no.”

Mina Murray

Of course I did ;)

Lucy Westenra

Okay. *deep breath*

Remind me that reading these things just makes me mad and makes me wander around composing imaginary tweets in my head in reply and gets me all *hands*

Mina Murray

Lucy, darling, beloved.

Remember that reading these things just makes you unhappy and causes you to rant to yourself at work.

When you want to do it, take a few deep breaths and watch a cat video.

Lucy Westenra

You are so smart

I’m so glad I have you <3

Mina Murray

You are pretty lucky ;)

Lucy Westenra

K, better get back to work.

BUT

it’s also true that we have…almost 10K Twitter followers!

Mina Murray

Lucy!

Lucy Westenra

Okaaaaaaaaaaay I can try

Love you, babe!

Mina Murray

<3

See you for dinner, yeah?

Lucy Westenra

I’ll even be on time!

Mina Murray

I’ll believe it when I see it. <3